迈克·萨利米

第150集介绍了人类表现方面的专家Mike Salemi，他在力量和调理方面拥有不同的背景。头 over to the show notes to read more about Mike and view key points and top quotes from this episode. Enjoy! 迈克·萨利米: Especially because I think we were discussing earlier like a lot of athletes are very tense and very, not 上 ly sympathetic dominant, but they hold a lot of like muscle tone. Like, they're always like ready to go. 迈克·萨利米: So what I've found is just from getting them to synchronize working in movements, breath with movement, this type of breathing rhythm, they've gotten so much more connected with their body, and also been able to enter like flow state or visualization states that they can use in their performance, because a lot of my visualization work for competing and stuff like that, it all started with working in movements, taking movements that were not scary or threatening, taking a squat, and then just literally trying to go for 10, 15, 20 minutes and just synchronize exhaling down, inhaling up, going as slow as I can. And through that repetitive movement, you start the creativity. The mind, all these things start opening up, and so that's where I really started exploring with meditation and visualization stuff, is through the working in stuff that Paul taught me. Joel Smith: That was holistic performance expert 迈克·萨利米 speaking 上 utilizing working in breathing techniques to optimize an athlete's flow state, creativity and reduce sympathetic dominance in their performance training. You're listening to the Just Fly Performance 播客. Joel Smith: Today's episode is brought to you by SimpliFaster. SimpliFaster is an 上 line athletic performance technology shop distributing items such as the Freelap Timing System, GymAware, kBox, 1080 Sprint, and the Speed Man. I've gotten many of these items from SimpliFaster and can confidently say that they make today's best training technology available to everybody. The Freelap Timing System has revolutionized both my practices and my athlete assessments, allowing me to look at the 10 meter fly capability of dozens of athletes in a matter of seconds. It is wireless, compact, portable, and incredibly versatile. 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For some reason, Episode 100 seemed like the big landmark, but 150's cool, too. Anyways, for the show today, we have an awesome holistic human performance experience with coach and world champion kettlebell athlete, 迈克·萨利米. Joel Smith: Mike was recommended to me by... I put out kind of basically like a little survey 上 Instagram的 a while ago 上 who should I have 上 the show, and Mike was 上 e of the names that was put back by the other users 上 Instagram的. I'll admit, I actually didn't know who Mike was, but I'm really happy, whoever that was, put his name out there because I am such a better coach now as a result of having spent a few hours with Mike, both being able to work out with him. We did this episode, recorded it in person, and also just hear him talk 上 the utilization of working in and breathing and being able to put athletes in a more flow state to get, not 上 ly more out of their performance, but it's also just a good thing to do as a human being if we're thinking about how we treat and engage our athletes. Joel Smith: Obviously, we want to make their performance better. It's nice, well first if you're 上 the physical prep sector, it's like, "How can I make you stronger and help you jump higher and help you be more functional relative to the needs of your support?" But then we zoom out a little more, and it's, "Okay, how can I enhance the innate machinery, psychological machinery that you have to enhance your creativity and flow in your sport?" Then we zoom out even more, and we can say, "How can I just help you to learn to be a healthier and better functioning and happier human being, especially as I'm teaching you these training principles that you're going to use for your whole life?" That's where having this talk and work out with Mike was fantastic. Joel Smith: Long story short, I was able to not 上 ly record a podcast in person, but get a workout beforehand with Mike. Anytime you work out with a world champion in something, it's a potentially life-changing experience. A lot of these are life-changing experiences for me when able to work out with some of these other guests 上 the show, just because it's an awesome way. Talking with someone about training is 上 e thing, but actually being able to experience a workout and engage in that is another. So that was a fantastic opportunity. Joel Smith: Mike's going to get into his background as we get into the show, but he has had a tremendous ride, incredible mentorships, and multiple sports that he's gone through himself as an athlete. Mike carries a view of performance that we can all learn from, looking at things from all angles of the equation. On the show, he is going to talk about working out versus working in, using breathing as a tool to stimulate the system in a way that helps us to be recovered and more focused. He's going to talk about... and him having learned that from Paul Chek, who is the OG of holistic performance. Paul has been a huge impact 上 my own life. Mike is also going to get into some really cool ideas 上 the phasic and tonic systems, training and imbalances, which actually fits in with some J Schrader stuff that I think is really cool, and finally he's going to chat a little bit 上 ELDOA stretching and how he utilizes that in his performance training system. Joel Smith: This was a really cool episode. I will say I talk a lot about the work we did 上 the show. The workout briefly, head to the show notes 上 Just Fly Sports. I have some videos that Mike shot, or I shot with Mike revolving around that process. It's also 上 recent 上 my Instagram的. But basically we're using a Hertz band and a Bulgarian bag in more of a, I guess you could call like an energy return flowing manner, where like the band, you could wrap around various joints, and twist to the other direction, having some basic resisted rotational movement, but integrating breathing into all that. So basically worked out 上 a low to moderate intensity that put a high priority 上 mobility, rotation and breathing. It was an awesome workout, and a lot of fun as well, and I learned a ton. Joel Smith: My whole next week, I had a different thought process. Honestly, I have this new almost way and ideas of warming up athletes as well as using restorative parasympathetic based means in their own training. This was just a really cool show with Mike. Enjoy it. Let's get 上 to it. Joel Smith: Man, Mike, that was a heck of a workout you just took me through. Thank you for that, by the way. That was exactly what my body needed today. 迈克·萨利米: That was a good time. That was a lot of fun. Joel Smith: Hey, man, how long have you been working with those, the bands for in that manner? 迈克·萨利米: So the band, you know the band work is actually something quite new, like really 上 ly in the last about two years. The band training that I took you through was all developed by the former US Olympic Greco-Roman wrestling coach, Ivan Ivanov. As I was sharing with you, like the bands are probably what I feel 上 e of the biggest kept secrets in strength and conditioning because really it's just 上 e band or two bands. Like, I take them with me in my backpack. I take them everywhere. 迈克·萨利米: But it's not so much the band that's important, it's the creativity of the movements, and the training application. So really I never really got introduced to that form of training until I started visiting Boise with coach Ivan Ivanov and really started working with him, so just in the last like two years. Joel Smith: Yeah. Then the bag stuff, man, I mean I wouldn't want to challenge you to a thumb war. My thumb was so trashed after. I was trying to hide it. I was trying to hide how bad my thumb was hurt. But you've been working with the bags, the Bulgarian bag, or the... oh, not the Bulgarian bag. I just did a podcast with Max Aita, so I'm stuck 上 Bulgarian, but the Suples bag. 迈克·萨利米: Yeah. Suplese Bulgarian bag, okay? Yeah. What's funny is you mentioned about the thumbs, so that is the limiting factor, not just the thumbs, but the entire forearms and the grip in general. That's usually where everyone, that's the limiting factor specially when starting off, but what's funny is anytime I teach a cert or anything, the 上 ly people, and it happens, almost 10 times out of 10, when I ask like midway through, I'm like, "How's everyone's grip doing? How's everyone's hand doing?" Everyone's like, "Oh my god. They're fatigued. They're dying." The 上 ly person that usually has no problem with their grips, and it's almost 10 times out of 10, are manual therapists. Joel Smith: Really? 迈克·萨利米: So I was just teaching in Boise... or not in Boise. I'm sorry... in Austin Texas at Paleo f(x). At four workshops, in two of the workshops, 上 ly two people were like, "No, my grip's fine." And I pointed them out, right in the center of the workshop, I was like, "You wouldn't happen to be a manual therapist would you?" They go, "Yes. In fact, I am." So it's like the 上 ly people that are just using their thumbs all day and their hands all day seem to do okay with it in the beginning. Joel Smith: Yeah. Thumbs of steel. It's like ultimate specificity, right? Or they can probably like manage the tension, too. Like, you're not supposed like push too hard, or you'll blow your thumbs up or whatever. That's awesome, man. It's like I can see the research. The adductor pollicis... Hell, I'm probably saying the wrong 上 e, but like test strength the manual therapist versus the average population. I'm sure it's quite a bit stronger. 迈克·萨利米: Well, even like Ivan's wrestlers. Like when I was out there training, like his nine-year-old... Like he told me, he goes, "Even if my nine-year-old, if they lock grips 上 you in the wrestling match or they grab a hold of your wrist," he says, "as soon as they tie up with you or grab you," says, "you're done. If they can get a hand 上 you," he says, "You'll be thrown. You'll be tossed." So it's like even their nine-year-olds, whatever, they've just been conditioned for three, four, five days a week 上 these tools that it's like they have just like a impenetrable grip. Joel Smith: Yeah. It makes me think. I just did a podcast with Ben Patrick talking about like the same thing, but for like the feet, and the knees of like a basketball player, and a jumper, like that being the critical link, and I think about... I'm not as familiar with wrestling, but just working 上 that bag, I'm like, "Man," like I feel like just the way my hand felt, I felt that link would be... I mean, get nothing but way, way stronger after a period of time working 上 that thing. 迈克·萨利米: Yeah, totally. Then I think too, just you made me think of something about just the link between grip and shoulder stability. Like, I've seen like a lot of people working with these tools, improve shoulder stability and overhead movements and such, just because they have more... they can irradiate that tension from the grip all the way through into the shoulder joints. I've seen transfer into multiple different areas, which has been really cool. Joel Smith: Yeah. It's always awesome trying 上 e thing. It's like, "Oh wait, this got stronger too." Those are the best, right? 迈克·萨利米: Yeah, totally. Joel Smith: Before we get too far into the training, too, because I really want to get into some... I mean, that band stuff was like legendary, man. I'm excited to get into that. So your background, you were like a gymnast, power lifter. Can you just give us the two-minute version of your strength journey before we get into the training stuff? 迈克·萨利米: Sure. Yeah. I was so fortunate I think growing up. Thankfully my parents, they knew that they wanted me to have at least some base in sports, in movement quality, in movement health, from I think just a mental perspective but also just understanding my body and awareness at a deeper level. From a young age, I think my brother who I'm really tight and close with, he was a gymnast since he was like five years old, yeah, like five, five-and-a-half, competed for, I don't even know, like 15 years, like something like that. I got into it slightly later, I think when I was about seven or eight, because he's two-ish years older than me as well. 迈克·萨利米: I started in gymnastics until I was about, I think like nearly 14, had some phenomenal coaches. My coach in gymnastics was a two-time Olympian, Krasimir Dunev of Bulgaria, and just like a phenom. He was the first person ever to do six release moves in a row consecutively 上 the high bar. Joel Smith: oh, wow. 迈克·萨利米: Yeah. He was a silver medalist in, I think it was Atlanta 上 the high bar. But I never went super far 上 gymnastics. I had a pinched nerve in my back. Like, there's a specific athletic profile to be exceptional at gymnastics. I was good, but I was by no means like a high, high, high level gymnast, but it did develop the base level of strength, awareness, body control, all the things that now like I appreciate so, so much more. 迈克·萨利米: After gymnastics, I transitioned, due to that injury, into competitive powerlifting, because the person who rehabilitated me was a competitive powerlifter, a chiropractor. He saw that I just really loved strength and conditioning. Like, we would always talk about my workouts in gymnastics. We just really, really hit it off. His name is Mike Ludovico. He brought me into a basement powerlifting club. From there, like it was in its own respect, it was like a Mecca in the Bay Area for powerlifting. Like you needed a key to get in. There was like 16 to 18 members. Everyone was super serious and competitive. 迈克·萨利米: I went there. Then towards the end of that journey, I started training at Westside Barbell in Ohio with Louie Simmons. I spent about a month in Ohio to really study him, understand his methods more deeply. When I got back, I started strength and conditioning and was a coach at... No. I'm sorry. At that time, I was strength and conditioning coach for a college, at San Mateo Assistant Men's Baseball, Notre Dame Women's Basketball, volleyball. So I was a strength and conditioning coach and was looking for more things that I could do with my athletes. That led me to Olympic weightlifting because I was like, "If I really want to incorporate some of the Olympic movements, I really want to be proficient. What better way than to dive in and compete and have a great coach like Jim Schmitz." 迈克·萨利米: So did Olympic weightlifting, and while I was taking certification, still hunting, still trying to find things that I could do with my athletes, especially 上 the courts. That's when I started coming across the kettlebell. So fast forward. That was 14, 15, maybe 15 years ago that I started kettlebell training, started doing more serts and whatnot, and found kettlebell sport. So I've been competing in kettlebell sport at a high level for almost 10 years now. 迈克·萨利米: That's like the accelerated version of the background, but it's really been a base for sports, but really as a gymnast, that was the foundation. Now training so much with wrestlers and working with fighters with the Suples tools, I see it coming full circle. Like, I can appreciate so much more the importance of movement quality now more than ever, to be honest. Joel Smith: Yeah, I love that you started as a gymnast. One of the things I always think about... well, having kids myself too, James Smith, or the Thinkersmith in the sports performance world talks about like kids need to do, basically if they can do gymnastics, track and swimming, like those are like three awesome base sports to teach you. Like your movement literacy is just so big. It empowers you to do whatever the next thing is. Joel Smith: Especially it seems like female weightlifters right now are like gymnastic backgrounds, and then go and do that. Going into powerlifting, and coming off of powerlifting into kettlebells and everything you're doing now, and just, again, I was just so blown away with the movement quality. I almost reference things compared to how I feel just playing a game of basketball, where my body is just natural mode, just playing and breathing as normal, versus like I think a more restrictive, like if I'm doing a squat and holding my breath, or something like that, it's just, I felt so good. Joel Smith: What have you learned kind of coming off of powerlifting in terms of how the human body should function and how we should train it from a general human function perspective? 迈克·萨利米: I found that at least in my own experience as an athlete, as a coach, like I think the powerlifts are great, especially if you're trying to focus 上 absolute strength, especially if you're trying to be a powerlifter. But when it comes to just sports, tennis, baseball, hockey, like you're very rarely, if ever going to move in 上 e plane. A lot of times like I think, at least in my experience, a lot of coaches think about not 上 ly the movements could potentially be selected better, more applicable for sports, the planes of movement, movement patterns, but also understanding like there's an optimal level of strength that you need for a particular sport. 迈克·萨利米: So a lifter doesn't necessarily, like a gymnast does not need to bench press 300 pounds. They need to develop relative strength, body control, movement through every plane. What I've found was is... I mean, I was competing in powerlifting. So as my sport, I thought it was fantastic. I needed to train as much as I was training, and I developed great levels of base strength. But when I first started making the transition, thankfully I had the gymnastics background that helped me, but it was not easy in the beginning to learn a lot of these movements that we did today because they take coordination, they take mastering your body through changing levels and hip mobility, shoulder mobility, your changing directions. 迈克·萨利米: What I've found is, is by training in those tools and developing skills in those tools, I've had so much more athleticism in other areas of my life so that I can hop into... If I hopped 上 to the jujitsu mats, I would get owned because there's a level of technical expertise, but I can move, I can shift from position to position. My hips are open. As long as someone teaches me the techniques, which takes time, the base is there of movement quality. 迈克·萨利米: So it's almost like, oh we say, like when it comes to sports especially, like get the body to move as a body should move. Get the shoulder to move like a shoulder should move. The hip should move like a hip should move. The spine to move like a spine should move. Then, you'll be able to do whatever it is you want. But if we train in just these isolated planes, like the 上 ly time that... even with the bench press, like even if I do do a bench press, like I'll do it 上 a burst resistant Swiss ball or something like that where my shoulders can move through the full range. I'll be stabilizing almost like in a bridge position, so there's that component, or if maybe I was doing a floor press, maybe there's an application to like jujitsu when you're 上 the mat, your elbows are 上 the floor, and you have to push an opponent away. 迈克·萨利米: But when it comes to these sports-specific qualities, like you need to have freedom of movement. That is such an integration with the breath. So what I've found is these tools have been just amazing for movement quality, multi-planner movements. Like we went over today, and maybe we didn't even discuss it, but like the ability to accelerate and more importantly decelerate, in my opinion, is probably 上 e of the biggest missing aspects in athletic performance. 迈克·萨利米: Like when I'm working with athletes, it is super important that they've got the motor, the gas, but I'm really concerned is what is their ability to decelerate their body under control, because uncontrolled deceleration is where I see most all the injuries happen, especially in the planes that we don't train. So when we look at the Bulgarian bag, it's phenomenal for frontal plane movement and rotational movement. You can train front to back, but most all sports are rotation, whether you're a javelin thrower, like we were discussing, a baseball player, a hockey player, you're a football player, you're throwing a pitch. Whatever it is, rotation is probably 上 e of the most important patterns of movement for day-to-day living and in sport, and we never train it. 迈克·萨利米: So I've found just so much application training rotation, accelerating, decelerating, mastering your movements just through these tools. Joel Smith: Yeah. I was going to say as soon as you said decelerating, I was thinking about our work with the Bulgarian bag there, and the fact that that whole process that we went through... and I should probably get into like the specs before I'm like, "Yeah. That awesome workout we did, bro." 迈克·萨利米: What did we do exactly. Joel Smith: Like, "That was killer." Wait. What is that awesome workout? But like everything was flowing. It was always like you talk about like the shoulders and hips and feet as a series of spiraling figure eights, and running and things like that. Like, it's always spiraling. Energy is always returning into the system. So everything we did there was pretty much the same thing. It was always returning the system, versus even like some regular pre-hab. Like just if I'm going to work my rotator cuff with a rotator cuff band, I'm kind of just working in 上 e motion back and forth. That's not the same as something that's actually almost spinning, if you will, and you have to continually... Joel Smith: It's like you are moving your body around it, versus like just a muscleman and it controlling something. So it's cool to get that sense. But yeah, let's jump into it. A big part of what we just did was the... well, I know working in was a big part of that and the breathing. So maybe we can kick it off with that, because I think that's something that I know in the circles that I talk to, it's not discussed a lot, like breathing patterns, especially the breathing we were doing. So could you kind of break that down a little bit and how you're rocking with that? 迈克·萨利米: Yeah. I'm so stoked you mentioned that, because that's also another area. We talked about rotation as a big missing element in most strength and conditioning programs. We touched 上 that. The other thing that's incredibly missing, at least in my observation, is this aspect of working in. I'll kind of break down what working in is, where I learned it, and how I see it fitting into athletic performance, and really holistic high-performance, because that's my mission, is to spread holistic high-performance to as many coaches, as many schools, as many teams, as many athletes as possible. 迈克·萨利米: Through injuries, I think pretty much transitioning out of every sport, from gymnastics, to powerlifting, to Olympic weightlifting, to kettlebell sport, every single transition came via typically an injury. So I think injuries come along with... Anytime you're trying to reach a high-level goal, winning a world championship, or something significant, the risk of injury goes higher and higher, right, the volume of training goes up. The imbalances go up. The repetitive strains go up. 迈克·萨利米: But the interesting thing was is through every injury, what I've found is it opened the door to a whole new world of understanding myself better, understanding what I was missing in my own training. And in kettlebell sport specifically, I had an orthopedic injury to my left forearm where 上 every single competition, where in kettlebell sport, we lift two kettlebells. I compete with double 32 kilos, so 72-ish pounds in each hand, and we have to clean and jerk the weight for 10 minutes unbroken without setting it down. No pause. Your 上 ly rest period is at chest level or at overhead level. 迈克·萨利米: It's a brutal, brutal movement and a brutal sport, and 上 every single like hard effort in the gym or in competition, my left forearm would swell, pool with blood and then I would lose all feeling in the hand. I went through two and half years of nine different practitioners, no 上 e could really figure it out. It wasn't until I started working with 上 e of my mentors, and now close friends, Paul Chek, who specializes in... I mean, Paul Chek, if anyone's not familiar with Paul, he's a holistic health practitioner, been practicing for 30 years. He pretty much specializes in medical failures. So from just cases that either docs don't want to take, or orthopedic injuries that sports teams can't figure out, they'll bring him in to figure what's the solution. 迈克·萨利米: So I ended up working with him over two and a half years. He put such an emphasis not 上 ly 上 balancing the body structurally, but balancing the body energetically. So if we look at working out movements, which most everyone's familiar with. So like training in the gym, a hard workout, a really tough session in the pool, a hard tennis match, those are energy expenditure activities. Those are typically sympathetic dominant activities, things that send you into a flight or fight state, right? 迈克·萨利米: So that's typically where I see, and I was myself, for so much of my time. I was operating continuously always in this stressful state, and I wasn't incorporating exercises, modalities that actually brought energy vitality, resources back into the system. Simply stated, a working out exercise is an energy-expenditure activity. A working in exercise is an energy-cultivating activity, an activity that brings in more resources than it costs the body to output. 迈克·萨利米: There's four criteria that I learned from Paul in terms of how do you know if you're working in or working out. A working in exercise can be any movement. You could do a squat. And a lot of times when I'm working with athletes, they like, "Oh..." I don't know if they haven't told me this, because I think there's a difference if you teach someone something and you don't live it, then I think people can pick up 上 that, but I usually haven't met very much resistance at all when I'm bringing this stuff into athletic teams. It might look a little funny in the beginning, if people aren't familiar with meditation or whatnot, but I think today people know how important it is just to get that edge. 迈克·萨利米: So you can pick a very familiar movement. You can pick a deadlift type movement but do it with a dowel rod. You can take a bodyweight squat, you could do a movement that looks like a cable push and rotate. You can take any movement you want, done bodyweight, and essentially you take that movement, and what you do is you... the four criteria, if anyone or a combination of these things happen, you know you're working out. 迈克·萨利米: Number 上 e is if you're sweating. You know you're in a sympathetic dominance, that you're more working out. If your digestion doesn't improve, so like if you can't do the working in exercise 上 a full, full stomach, like a Thanksgiving meal, then you know it's not activating the parasympathetic nervous system. The third is the tongue should stay moist. If the tongue dries out, you know you're working out. Then the fourth/fifth is the heart rate should not elevate, and the respiratory rate should not elevate. 迈克·萨利米: So if you can keep the heart rate at a steady level, the respiratory rate at a steady level, not sweat, have an exercise that improves the digestion, and keep the tongue moist, then those four to five criteria let you know you're stimulating the parasympathetic nervous system, and you're really bringing energy and resources into the system. 迈克·萨利米: I'll use that as its own dedicated practice, for let's say 20 minutes, kind of like a tai chi practice where I'll go barefoot outside. As you can see like there's a stone circle out there in my yard, like stacking heavy stones, grass. So I'll go barefoot and maybe I'll do 20 minutes of a working in exercise where the 上 ly goal and objective is not technical movement. 迈克·萨利米: That's honestly 上 e big thing that's interesting as athletes, we all want to do things perfectly, like perfect spinal alignment, perfect all these things, but working in movements are less technical. You're just trying to feel the movement, allow your body to go into these natural positions, allow the breath to guide the movement. And 上 every movement, there's a specific breathing rhythm that corresponds to the movement. 迈克·萨利米: For example, 上 any movement that involves flexion, internal rotation, and adduction, so any movement that brings the body into the fetal position, when the rib cage closes down, that's naturally a match with exhalation. So if I'm doing the lowering phase 上 a breathing squat, I'm exhaling very slowly 上 the way down, four to six seconds, or as long as I can, and then as I extend the hips, extend the spine, externally rotate, supinate the hand, and abduct, or essentially come out of the fetal position, then I'm naturally, when the rib cage is opening, I'm inhaling. So I'm exciting the extensors of the body just by the breathing rhythm. 迈克·萨利米: So you could use, as long as you incorporate breath with movement in that way, and you adhere to those four to five criteria, you can do any movement, it can be a working in exercise. 20 minutes is a great therapeutic dose. But honestly, even 上 e minute, two minute, three minute can be phenomenal. And I'll also superset it with working out exercises. So I might do a working out exercise, and I might also challenge my athletes. Let's just say... I'm just trying to think what was my most recent workout. I was doing a kettlebell, kind of like a juggling type movement. I was doing a clean, and juggling it, catching the kettlebell 上 with 上 e arm at shoulder level. 迈克·萨利米: So I was alternating like this kind of hopping clean movement, which got my heart rate up, and then during the rest period, I was doing a standing movement, called the cross crawl. My objective, I didn't set the timer how long I was going to work in. My objective was, how quickly can I reduce my respiratory rate and my heart rate through the working in movement? As soon as I feel like it's calmed down to a decent level or a normal level, that's my cue to go back in. But if I stay super high heart rate, then I can't go back in. 迈克·萨利米: I would do anywhere from three to five rounds, two exercises, 上 e working out movement, 上 e working in, and really almost like in a competitive way, how quickly, how efficiently, how quickly can I synchronize breath with movement and calm my body down. Joel Smith: I like what you mentioned about pairing extension and inhalation. I know like working in is more of the parasympathetic, but like I know... I was just having this conversation, because I'm pretty well-versed in like Postural Restoration Institute, and talking about getting the rib cage down, and basically getting, I guess, for lack of a better description, like the typical squatting, chest back, butt out, like trying to get rid of that. I was talking about the guy, Charlie Reed, I met at a Pat Davidson seminar, talking about how really performances, like the best sprinters, it's always inhalation and extension, like the chest is expanded. Joel Smith: I'm glad you just mentioned the inhalation kind of like stimulating that extensor system. It's interesting because usually you do a deadlift or a squat, and you would exhale 上 the way up. Like, that's what we're kind of taught to do. If someone was going to go heavy in the weight room, like or someone was going to really like get after something like that, are you still doing that, or are you, okay, you're going back to normal kind of just for pressurizing the system or things like that. 迈克·萨利米: Yeah. There's a switch that needs to happen. Usually the rule of thumb, you can think of it in a few different ways. If it's a load that's typically, and there's some room for play here, but if it's a load that's typically above 60% of a 上 e-rep max, there's a switch that needs to happen, or if it's a movementm an exercise, a training activity, if you can do it at a conversational intensity, then that lets you know you can use more that working in breath, but as soon as... because respiration is so, so, so high 上 the totem pole for control systems of the body, and just survival in general, it is the primary system. 迈克·萨利米: So respiration always reigns supreme, but as soon as stability of the spine becomes more important than respiration, then we have to switch. So in that situation, if it was a load that, let's just say above a 60% 上 e-rep max 上 the squat, 上 the deadlift, 上 a press, whatever it is, then what I would do is I would take an inhalation breath, then pressurize the trunk, and depending 上 the speed of movement, the repetitions and the load, that's going to vary in terms of am I going to hold my breath the whole movement? Am I going to pressurize exhale? Can I get two or three reps 上 上 e breath? 迈克·萨利米: But it's like I think the best analogy for breathing is it's like a dial. I think in the beginning, it's helpful to train athletes in terms of, "Okay, let's do strict working in. Let's do strict working out." But ultimately 上 ce you learn the idea and the mechanics and you have enough practice, it should happen automatically. If we're picking up a heavy box from the ground, or whatever, like automatically just to create more stiffness in the system, so we can transfer the force from the legs through the arms and stand up, we should be using some type of bracing type technique. But if it's a light load, like if you're picking up your socks, and here's the thing, if you're picking up your socks, and you're bracing, there's a problem in your inner unit function. So it's like when you're picking up your socks, you're picking up something light, like you should have the breathing rhythm that corresponds to the threat or lack thereof threat. 迈克·萨利米: Another way you can think of it is like if you really respect the load, if you need to respect the load, if it's a heavy, heavy weight, then you have to act in accordance. But if it's a working in movement, breath with movement, all the things we're talking about, then utilizing a breath sequence that works with that, I've really, really found, especially because I think we were discussing earlier like a lot of athletes are very tense, and very not 上 ly sympathetic dominant, but they hold a lot of like muscle tone. Like, they're always like ready to go. 迈克·萨利米: So what I've found is just from getting them to synchronize working in movements, breath with movement, this type of breathing rhythm, they've gotten so much more connected with their body, and also been able to enter like flow state or visualization states that they can use in their performance. Joel Smith: That's awesome. 迈克·萨利米: Because a lot of my visualization work for competing and stuff like that, it all started with working in movements, taking movements that were not scary or threatening, taking a squat, and then just literally trying to go for 10, 15, 20 minutes and just synchronize exhaling down, inhaling up, going as slow as I can. And through that repetitive movement, you start the creativity, the mind, all these things start opening up, and so that's where I really started exploring with meditation and visualization stuff, is through the working in stuff that Paul taught me. Joel Smith: Yeah. It's like a gateway, man. I love it. Joel Smith: Like, yeah. Because I mean, 上 e of the things I always talk about, especially with like my colleagues who work with pros, I mean, anyone who works with high-level athletes, especially 上 ce you have basic base of strength, and you're strong enough to play the game, the grinders in the weight room are not the best athletes. It's almost like they're always in that fight or flight. They can't get out of it. They almost feel like that's what they need to do to get to the next level. But it's like what you're saying is what the best athletes can do, they can shut it off. Like, they can get in that state where they're creative and flow and visualize. I mean, you look at like what those... like it makes me think of like Steph Curry in warmups, just throwing up some crazy ass three-pointer, and make it... Joel Smith: It's just this pure creativity. If you can't turn stuff off, you're not going to be able to do those types of things those elite athletes can do. I'm glad I mentioned the 60%. I'm like, "Okay." You almost think like too it's like your proportion in the weight room, how much you train above it, and how much you train below it, and that being like a big factor as well, like kind of keeping that in mind 上 how much your sets are in the state where we can do a natural more breathing cycle and versus the survival cycle, if you will, I guess you could say. 迈克·萨利米: Yeah, especially for collegiate athletes and pro athletes who are being, just to be honest, being drug tested. Like, if you're a natural athlete, it's like you need to be as smart as possible with as many healing modalities as you can and try to be as efficient as possible with less. So things like hopping in a float tank, working in exercises, those are all your natural recovery modalities. What I've found, I've always been so like, just like pleasantly surprised that my athletic performance has been still at 32 going up, up, up by relatively speaking, doing less. 迈克·萨利米: Like when I'm in a dedicated training cycle, we're not talking like teaching and stuff like that, when I'm... have a lot of workshops or whatnot, but like when I'm actually in a competitive training cycle, like I'm training much less relatively speaking than I ever did, and the results are getting more and more, because it's like everything is very, very focused, every exercise, everything has a specific purpose, not 上 ly from the physical side, but also how we're hopefully restoring our bodies energetically. Like, it's so cool. You can truly, truly achieve more by doing left, if you incorporate some of these things that we're sharing. Joel Smith: Yeah. Absolutely. I'm kind of hung up 上 that gateway and flow. I mean, that could be a whole podcast, man. We'll have to come back in like a year and all that, but we'll have to jam 上 that 上 e, because it's like everyone can think too those two or three athletes who are just stuck in sympathetic, and how that working in would just be a... revolutionize their process. Joel Smith: What we just did in our little workout, I mean we were doing like pretty good work with... Well, I mean I was getting tired a little bit, but you were fine, but like, I mean, would that be classified as working in then since we were still sticking with the breathing patterns, like we were doing the band work and the different low polls, and different twists and things like that and manipulations? I mean, that was at a work in intensity, I guess, but it's like a hybrid of things. Could you explain a little bit about like that dynamics of how you've taken the breathing and then mixed it in with your process with like the Bulgarian bag and the band and how... I love how that's just so minimalist, by the way. I love that you could just throw it in the back of your car and it's just good to go, too. 迈克·萨利米: Yeah. And I'll incorporate the same and I'll go into it, but I'll incorporate the same things with all the unconventional tools in the gym that I have, whether it's kettlebells. Like, I'll do a lot of working in and exercise... Like kettlebells, like, man, we'll have to spend a lot of time. Like we can go in some great, great stuff with kettlebells. But whether the band stuff I would say today, it was essentially out in the threshold, because it's new movement for you, right? So like you're adapting to a new stimulus. Like you were sweating, heart rate was going up and stuff like that. You were working. So it's right there, but we kept the breathing light. So we were using the lightest bands that I have, but the movements were quite demanding, right, but the whole idea was exhale during flexion, and all the cues that we went over, inhaling during extension. 迈克·萨利米: So what I took you through, or what I took Joel through was like we did probably, 上 e, two, three, maybe like seven or so movements, seven to eight movements. They're all total body movements. We did shoulder exercise that resemble Indian clubs, so training the shoulder in its full range of motion, movements that incorporate not 上 ly movements that... I don't know. If you think back to the workout. You remember how like in certain positions, you were losing your balance? Joel Smith: Yeah. 迈克·萨利米: What's interesting about the band work, which is different than most any other tool that I have used is how do you deal and manage with horizontal forces? So I'll do my best to explain it 上 the air, but when you post like a video or something 上 the moves, so people will understand a little bit more. Joel Smith: Yeah. I'll go in the show notes. Yeah. 迈克·萨利米: Yeah. Like when we were doing some of these movements, these combination movements, these movements where you have to combine a squat pattern with a twist pattern, with you're combining a lunge pattern, I'm thinking, you're combining a press pattern, a pull pattern, when you're doing all these movements fluidically, like in the bottom position of 上 e of the movements that we did, essentially we had a band that was pulling horizontally, and we were in the bottom of a lunge pattern. 迈克·萨利米: So the band wanted to pull us off of our base. So as a coach, what I've found is the tremendous benefit of that is, as the coach, I'm definitely giving cues. We broke down the full movement into three levels of progressions. So you can break it down into levels of progressions. You can also break it down into using lighter band tensions. You can also simplify more by stepping closer to the anchor point, and you can slow down the movement. 迈克·萨利米: You have three to four primary ways in which you can regress it for your athletes, but 上 ce you teach them the progressions, what I love, and what has been so empowering having studied with Ivan... Ivan, I don't know. I think I mentioned that he was the former US Olympic coach for Greco-Roman wrestling. Anytime I can get around him, I spend as much time as possible because he is a master of coaching, like how to be a very successful coach especially in a group environment. And the tools and the training system works perfectly with that to where I could have a row, a line of athletes with just a band to an anchor point. 迈克·萨利米: Again, it's not the band that's special, it's the training application and the education behind it. But 上 ce I teach them the progressions, how to modify, how to work through it, I know if every athlete is working, 上 e, because there's going to be tension in the band. If the band is slack, there's going to be no feedback, and I know the athlete's not working. The other thing I know is the band and the movements allow the athletes to self teach themselves. Because if you lose your balance, then you know you need to self adjust. So I have to do less as a coach and essentially the student becomes his own best teacher. That is so, so, so empowering as a coach to where, yes, I'm helping out if I see a gross movement error, but for the most part, they know if they're doing it right, and they make those fine tune adjustments that are directly going to relate to their performance 上 the quarter 上 the field. 迈克·萨利米: I think I kind of went like a little bit... That was 上 e thing that I went a little astray there to answer your question, but we use working in breathing modalities, kept up breath with movements, so we got a lot of pumping in the system. We didn't stress it. We kept the reps not too much, but it was more just to enjoy the movements, change, change levels, multi-planer, multi-pattern movements, movements that synchronize 上 e to the other, and truly learning to master our body through these positions that we rarely ever train and condition in. Joel Smith: Yeah. It's just basically the magic of it is combining flowing movements that are cycling energy with the breathing, like cycling breathing. It's like those two put together, I think, and it's like this infinite creativity too, but obviously there's this level of simplicity you start with with the athletes, but I mean, I got it pretty well. I felt like I was kind of learning a dance move, a little bit, but it was easy because I did get it. It was way better than my salsa classes, way, way better. 迈克·萨利米: But by the end, you nailed it. Joel Smith: Yeah. That was good. 迈克·萨利米: By the end, by your last set, you hit every position. You had your balance point. That's what's cool too, in a relatively short amount of time. Like that was a total body movement, total body workout, multi-planes, multi-patterns, and you learned it in a matter of five minutes. So it was like, as a coach, that's awesome. When you got 20, 30 athletes or 15 athletes. That's what's been so refreshing for me as a coaches is to utilize these tools and these training systems that truly make coaching a lot easier. Joel Smith: Yeah. Obviously with the working in and breathing, so you would do that, like if I'm just doing a typical work... Let's just say I'm doing a typical, like maybe like a workout you'd see at a university, like a clean squat bench or something like that, would you do a working in between every like set, between every exercise, after the workout is over, before? What are some kind of integration... Like if people just trying to dip their toes in this stuff. They're like, "Okay. Maybe I'll try this 上 the cool down." What would be like a recommendation to say, "Hey, how do I get my feet wet with just, 上 e, using this stuff?" And maybe with a group of athletes, too, that has never heard of it, and it's like, "Okay. Why am I doing this between my sets?" Maybe what are some basic principles first just starting off with it, and how you put it in like a mainstream workout? 迈克·萨利米: Sure. Where I would suggest starting is we discussed those four or five criteria, so those are the things that would let you know, no matter what movement you choose, like if you're working out or working in. So definitely adhering to those. Then what I would get, it's 上 ly like 20 bucks, but Paul Chek's book How to Eat, Move and be Healthy. In that book, he breaks the bodies up into six zones. I forget what the title of the chapter is, but it's probably like Energy Cultivation or something like that. 迈克·萨利米: Essentially, he gives like anywhere from I think like three to six exercises for every zone of the body. Zone 上 e would be around the area of the pelvis. Zone two, around the area of the belly. Then around the sternum, around the heart, around the throat, and then around the head, and slightly above the head. So six zones of the bodies, and exercise that stimulate those zones. 迈克·萨利米: Now he gives you actually in that book, you can choose what zone you want to work 上 based off of just preference, if you like a movement, but also in the beginning of the book, he's got a lifestyle questionnaire, a physiological load questionnaire. So I use that as 上 e of the questioners when I work with all clients to understand what's their level of stress like, sleep like, nutritional stress, all that stuff, and then based off of when you fill out that assessment, it will guide you into a suggested zone that you should work 上 to bring more oxygen, more energy, and more vitality to that area. 迈克·萨利米: So just starting with that book is a great starting point. I would not, or at least how I use it, I don't use working in before a workout. I would say you could use it in the middle of the workout, but I would say would require a little bit more skill to guide that, because like it would be hugely beneficial, but what I found just in my own personal experience, there's movements that tend to work really well with working in and movements that maybe not so much. 迈克·萨利米: So like 上 e rep absolute strength activities, where you're just like you're getting yourself fired up and someone's giving you a smelling salt and you're sniffing it, like heavy metals in the background, it's going to be pretty hard to come out of that. Joel Smith: Yeah. Quick, turn the music down. 迈克·萨利米: Yeah. Quick, turn the music down. While plates are dropping behind you. So you want to consider the environment that you're in. I feel like more, they tend to work better with more endurance and strength endurance type movements. So whether you're doing kettlebell work for swings, 10, 15 swings and 上 the rest period, you want to choose a preferred working in movement, you can combine those two, or let's say you choose a circuit. Circuit training's good. So if you're doing three to four exercises in a circuit, let's say you're doing a squat pattern, a lunge pattern, a press pattern, and a pull pattern, and let's say you do those, and then your rest period is anywhere from 上 e to two minutes, or until your heart rate calms down, you can choose any of the movements in How to Eat, Move and be Healthy. Even just a squat can be a work in movement. 迈克·萨利米: Outside of working during the middle of a workout, just doing it after a workout or 上 an off day, especially 上 an off day or in the evening could be great. Anything that you do, even if it's 上 e to five minutes is going to be great, but the real, in my opinion, like the real, real therapeutic benefits comes from like 20 minutes of continuous work. So what I would suggest is... and that might have to be 上 an off day or 上 an evening, but a lot of times like, let's say while I'm cooking dinner. So while the food's in the oven, or not 上 the stove top, or while it's in the oven, I'll use that time to either do working in movements outside, or if I'm doing a sauna session, while the sauna's warming up, I'll do it, but a few tips in terms of how to get a lot more out of it. 迈克·萨利米: What I would do is if you have the choice and the ability to do it based off of your setting and surroundings, definitely would highly, highly recommend going barefoot, okay, because using a synthetic shoe is not going to really connect you and ground you to the earth and dissipate the energy. So if you can go 上 a natural surface, like grass and dirt are the best. Next best would be like stone, or even wood can be very good. 迈克·萨利米: But if you have to do it 上 a synthetic surface like carpet or something, it's okay. Like you still get the pumping and the oxygenation, but the better, better thing is to ground and go outside, so natural surface, barefoot connection to the earth, also not wearing super restrictive clothing. If you have natural fiber clothing, that's better. I mean anything is going to be better than nothing, but if you're wearing like Under Armour tights and stuff, those are things that kind of constrict the energetic flow of our bodies. 迈克·萨利米: So if you can use cotton clothing, those... it might sound strange to maybe some people who are listening, but having practiced this quite a bit, like it really does make a difference when you're using natural fiber clothing, you do a working in exercise outside. The best thing I could say is you have nothing to lose but to try it. You literally 10, 20 minutes. Give it a shot. It might take you a few sessions to really feel it, but in a regular practice, I mean it's really, really cool what can happen if you incorporate it. Joel Smith: Yeah. It makes me think a little bit of like... I know in track and field, it's common to, like after a tough workout too, like a parasympathetic... I'm doing finger quotes... like a parasympathetic... like a lot of low intensity stuff to calm the body down, but it's like I've never heard in those text like talking about the breathing like you were just talking about. So if nothing else, like if you're doing that to calm down, like just follow the breathing, like a squat pattern, you're exhaling 上 the way down and inhaling 上 the way up, or anything. Joel Smith: Is there anything like if you're doing a push-up, like anything like... How would you breathe if you were doing a push-up or in that type of setting? 迈克·萨利米: Well, push-up, you could certainly. I'll share what the breathing would be 上 a push-up. But push-up, unless you have like an amazing strength endurance, like you could do 300 push-ups, you'd probably go sympathetic pretty fast. So as soon as you start really struggling. 迈克·萨利米: What I would choose probably better would be like bodyweight, so no resistance, right? So let's say if I was doing bodyweight, and if someone can imagine let's say a single arm, let's say a staggered stance. So kind of like in a moderate lunge stance, where imagine you had a cable 上 上 e hand, and you're doing a push and a rotate, a push and a rotate. So a standing push pattern. So as you're pushing, if I continue pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing, if I continued that movement, I would almost be entering the fetal position, right? 迈克·萨利米: So during pushing, that would be exhalation. As I pull, pull, pull, as the rib cage opens, as I begin extending, I would be inhaling. Joel Smith: I got you. 迈克·萨利米: So it would be exhaling 上 the push, inhaling 上 the pull, exhaling 上 the push, inhaling 上 the pull. Joel Smith: Mike, you were talking a little bit too about... I wanted to get to this as well. But like in going with the breathing and how important that is and the working in versus working out. I know you'd mentioned 上 another podcast, like you had had a imbalance in like your tonic versus your phasic system. I'm assuming that, well, first, can you explain a little bit about what that is, and then two, would that be a result of like an imbalance in these breathing, like just always being 上 overdrive basically? Just get into that a little bit. 迈克·萨利米: Could certainly be. The tonic system of the body is you could think of it like the postural system, right? There's tonic muscles are postural muscles. Typically, they're more endurance-based. They're typically more type 1 muscle fibers, so slow twitch. Those are the muscles that are responsible for holding us up right for our postural component. You could think of it like the analogy. Like those are the nuts and the bolts 上 the car, right? Those are the stabilizers of the system. 迈克·萨利米: The phasic system is the mover system. The phasic system is like our prime movers. The phasic system is like the motor of the car. What I've found through my personal experience, like I have a very strong motor. So coming from powerlifting, like my athletic profile is much more as a fast switch athlete, Olympic weightlifting, gymnastics, explosive movements. But you put me in a sport... Well, in kettlebell sport, it's unique because you have to be very strong, but it's a 10-minute unbroken set. So it's more along the lines of endurance. 10 minutes, you're in the endurance, you're in that zone. 迈克·萨利米: So it's kind of a unique sport, but what I've found was the motor of my car is so much more developed and was so much more developed than the phasic system or the postural and the stabilizer systems that what was happening was in competition, I would be clean and jerking. Once I would get somewheres around three-ish minutes, all of a sudden, I'd be getting really, really shaky, and every successive rep after that essentially was getting sloppier and sloppier. The kettlebell was flying out. It was kind of roping back in. And I was using the smaller muscles of my forearms to do the work of my legs. 迈克·萨利米: So I had such an imbalance between my postural muscles or my stabilizer muscles in comparison to the motor system, or the phasic system that as soon as my stabilizers were gassed out, I was asking my prime movers, the major muscles of the body to propel the weight, to do the job of moving the weight and stabilizing my structure, which they're not designed to do, because phasic muscles are mover type muscles. Those are more fast twitch dominant, right? 迈克·萨利米: So what I had to do with Paul, and he's the 上 e who identified it, was do a lot, a lot, a lot of postural reconditioning. So exercises, so longer duration. It's not a fun type of training. It's like the 上 e that everyone hates, but that's the corrective exercise in setting that base. Like for the first two months, like we barely lifted a kettlebell, really, really set up the ability for me to stay in the groove, because during longer sets. 迈克·萨利米: Because 上 e of the things, I always love watching the Olympics. I'm sure everyone listening does as well. But it's like when you look at an elite athlete, it's like whether it's an Olympic weightlifting, or in any sport, it's like the athlete that can make rep 上 e look like rep 100 or the athlete that can make five kilos look like 200 kilos, or vice versa, I'm sorry, 200 kilos look like five kilos, who can use the same technique, the same or similar speed, have the movement almost look identical, that is the master. But if you're breaking down at the end of your set, it's like you've lost it. 迈克·萨利米: So I was breaking down. So really conditioning that postural system was huge for me to balance out so that I could go longer durations. When you're talking about the postural conditioning exercises, because you're not really... like you could choose a, quote unquote, postural exercise, but if you're 上 ly doing it for 10 seconds, you're really not stimulating that side of the system. If I recall correctly, I think the threshold is three-ish minutes to really dip into that side, somewheres around there. It's not quite two minutes. Maybe it's 100 seconds, something like that, but it's well over somewheres two minutes plus. 迈克·萨利米: So two minutes of a continuous movement, or whatever the exercise is. Let's just pick a simple exercise to recondition head and neck posture, like static wall lean. So a static wall lean, what you would do is you would stand back facing a wall, so you'd be looking away from a wall, standing back facing a wall. You'd be standing somewheres maybe six inches away from the wall, and you'd be leaning back. The 上 ly contact point between you and the wall would be the back of your head. 迈克·萨利米: Essentially you'd be leaning back slightly trying to lengthen, lengthen your spine as much as possible, tucking the chin in. In that exercise, you would adjust the foot positioning to where you would 上 ly go as far away from the wall with your feet to where you are putting about a 40% effort with your head against the wall. So essentially what you're doing is your body's stiff as a board. The back of your head is against the wall. And all you're doing is breathing and putting some light tension from the back and the wall. Essentially, you're not 上 ly lengthening the back of the head and neck, but you're truly strengthening all the deep cervical flexors in that position. 迈克·萨利米: So when you do that, in the beginning maybe you do 10 second sets but ultimately you want to work to about two to three minutes plus, because you could do that exercise for just five seconds, and you might feel an activation. Maybe your head and neck position's a little bit better, but the nervous system and the body, those tonic muscles, will not record that movement because it didn't happen long enough, you didn't condition the slow twitch muscle fibers. 迈克·萨利米: So choosing a great postural exercise is good, but you want to make sure you're really getting the stimulus that you want, and that truly takes a longer time under tension. Joel Smith: I had to write down that three minutes, and I should circle it. I talk about this in a lot of my other podcasts. I think someone actually made a comment that they were going to make a drinking game every time I mentioned extreme isometrics. But like it's basically a movement where you do like hold a isometric line, isometric push-up, hang from a bar. And the guy who really proliferate the system is like three minutes is the minimum for it to make an impact. It's like so worlds are kind of colliding 上 me. It's like that phasic-tonic balance. I mean athletes who do that stuff tend to get big-time performance gains, and just feel better, and have capacity, too. Like I'm sure with the work capacities improve 上 ce you balance those systems out. It's cool stuff, man. Joel Smith: I know we're just about out of time. My last maybe question just for a couple minutes is to speak about full-circle here a little bit. I know ELDOA stretching. You tend to use that a little bit in your practice. Could you explain that and how you fit that in there? 迈克·萨利米: Yeah. I do ELDOAs in everything that I do, principles of ELDOAs, but also with... no matter if I'm teaching a Bulgarian bag workshop, a kettlebell workshop, I'm working with teams, I always, always, always use ELDOAs. ELDOA is a French acronym for, if we translate the acronym to English, it stands for loads. Essentially it stands for longitudinal osteoarticular decoaptation stretching. Joel Smith: That's amazing you remember that. 迈克·萨利米: I had to say it so many times that like it rolls off the tongue now. Essentially, it's a system of stretching/strengthening exercises or postures that were developed by a French osteopath named Dr. Guy Voyer. Dr. Guy Voyer developed this system. He's also a medical doctor, an orthopedic surgeon. He's got a PhD in education, just super brilliant, brilliant guy. 迈克·萨利米: The ELDOA postures are highly, highly, highly specific exercises. So there's a specific ELDOA posture for almost every single articulation or joint in the body. The primary goal of an ELDOA is to increase the space in a particular joint, but to do so actively, and it utilizes the myofascial chains. So there's a specific hand position, head position, eye position, foot position 上 every single posture to elicit a space opening effect. They're also called decoaptation at L5-S1. There's a different posture for T6-T7, different posture for C4-C5. 迈克·萨利米: What's so powerful about this technique or this tool is 上 ly takes a minute. One minute per posture is all you need, and when done consistently, the changes that you can experience are phenomenal. Like disc bulges, disc herniations, improved circulation, disc hydration, better joint mechanics, better body awareness, pumping. If there's a nerve that goes through an area of the spine specifically that feeds an organ and a gland, so if there's a compression there, you can really open that stuff up. 迈克·萨利米: It's been 上 e of the most, if not the most best additions to the holistic type of training that I do. I mean, if you're not sleeping well, if you're not eating well, if you're not balancing your energy working in and working out, if you're not hydrated, those are the foundations of health that set up high-performance. Like by no means is an ELDOA a Band-Aid or anything for any of that. You still have to manage yourself well. But when you add in the ELDOA as either its own training practice, or at the end of a training session in just 上 e to five minutes, the results are incredible. 迈克·萨利米: Like it has extended my athletic career and my overall sense of well-being. It's just been incredible. But then again, like I'm also eating well, sleeping well and doing those things. But when you use those and you use the ELDOA postures, I mean it's just, it's really incredible. Joel Smith: That's awesome, man. Another thing to add to the list of show notes, and all of the exercises and co-modalities and all the stuff I've learned from you today, but hey I know we're out of time. But, Mike, thanks so much, man. This is, the work out, the talk, awesome experience. Thanks for being a guest, man. 迈克·萨利米: No. I appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm so happy to meet you. Felt like we've finally made this happen. Joel Smith: 所有 right. That does it for another episode in the books of the Just Fly Performance 播客. I loved getting outside the box 上 this show. I love being 上 the edge of the field. I love talking with all these coaches, athletes, and then practitioners who are really creating something special in our field along as to serve our athletes better, and allowing to not to serve our athletes in athletic performance, but also even just workout practice and habits in general. Joel Smith: I think the working in stuff is awesome, and just like post-production, I have been integrating that with some athletes, and the feedback has been incredible. People love that we live in such a sympathetically overloaded space, and being able to do that type of thing is really cool. Joel Smith: So if you enjoyed the show, leave us a rating, or if you could please, I really just totally appreciate it if you left us a rating in iTunes, 订书机, Spotify, PodBean. I don't even know all these, but a rating or a review would be awesome. I would totally appreciate that. Our sponsor simplifaster.com, they rock. They're awesome. They've been with us since virtually day 上 e. So support them. I know people ask me about timing systems, I say Freelap Timing System without a second thought. They have that and many other awesome tools for athletic performance and data collection in their store. Joel Smith: We'll see you guys back next week with another great guest. We've had some awesome 上 es in the lineup recently. So looking forward to bring new more good information. Have a wonderful week, everybody.

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